Many people are having issues with new washing machines that refuse to spin just one item, or maybe just a few items. Sometimes it may have been a reasonably sized load in their old washing machine but they’ve now bought one with a large capacity drum so the load is still relatively small.
They are frustrated because their previous washing machine would spin with just one item inside but their new one won’t, and they are convinced the washing machine is faulty. Although faults can occur, it’s now normal for a washing machine not to spin just one or two items, or even some small loads, especially if one or more of the items gets heavy when wet such as a large woollen cardigan, a thick cotton garment or a heavy bath mat.
Why can’t modern washing machines just spin anything I put in the washing machine?
They did used to, but when washing machines were designed to just get on with spinning after a couple of minutes trying to balance the load there were consequences.
Every so often a load would be a little out of balance (especially when mixing light and heavy items or if there wasn’t enough items to stick evenly all round the drum) but the washing machine would go into spin regardless.
This often caused the washer to give a good thump several times as it ramped into spin before settling down often with a few more thumps occurring right at the end of the spin. It was disconcerting but usually just resulted in the sides of the washing machine being dented.
More rarely sheets would tangle up, or a small load would be impossible to balance and contain one or more heavy items such as a few towels, a sheet or one heavy garment and the washing machine would go seriously crazy. As a repairman in these days it was very common to see washing machines destroyed by being left unattended with an unbalanced load which had spun out of control for the full spin cycle.
If you’ve ever been close to a washing machine leaping into spin with a badly balanced load it is quite frightening. Customers used to describe watching TV in the lounge and being terrified by the sound of someone apparently battering their back door down.
I’ve seen hundreds of washing machines written off because the tub inside went out of control and smashed the control timer, yanked off hoses resulting in flooding all the motor or electrics, or simply broke the vitreous enamel tub suspension bracket with the sheer forces involved.
I’ve seen floorboards splintered with holes punched right through as the suspension rod repeatedly pummelled the floor and I’ve seen washing machines walk across the kitchen, jump up and smash cupboard and worktops etc. This state of affairs was clearly unacceptable, and something needed to be done about it.
The Answer they came up with is out of balance protection
The out of balance protection is a modern idea to stop washing machines going into spin with unbalanced loads. Early versions were crude, and simply attached micro switches to the tub or suspension, which when triggered through violent tub swinging just cut the motor to limit the damage done.
Modern out of balance protection is commonly achieved using software monitoring the strains on the motor through the power it uses. If a load is evenly distributed around the inner drum the motor should run fairly smoothly as it turns it round requiring a pretty even amount of power. If one side of the drum is heavier than the other, which would happen with only a few small items or one garment inside it would create imbalance.
The motor would run unevenly as it encountered different physical resistance when it turned the heavy side of the drum up from the 6 O’clock position through past 12 O’clock compared to the lighter load (or no load at all) on the other side.
In the old days this could usually be observed by seeing flashes of stainless where no laundry had settled on a section of the drum, the sound of the motor changing up and down in tone, and the drum swaying from side to side during the few minutes prior to spin which ran at “distribution” speed. All these signs meant the imminent spin was likely to be out of balance.
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What’s wrong with modern out of balance protection?
It’s an essential system, but they can sometimes be a bit too sensitive, with no override option. Allowing a customer to override the protection might be useful, I’m sure there are loads that refuse to spin that would actually be OK. However, I wouldn’t blame any manufacturer from shying away from giving customers the power to override their out of balance protection.
The answer is to make them more sophisticated and better at recognising when a load might be unbalanced but not going to cause a violent spin.
This sophistication costs money. Many washing machines may well have already got this protection just about right, but no one has compared these systems so far.
The more expensive washing machines such as Miele should have a more sophisticated system combined with higher quality suspension, which would cope better with unbalanced loads. It’s likely to be less paranoid about unbalanced spins but clearly still needs protection.
Conversely, cheap budget brands of washing machine are likely to have less sophisticated out of balance systems and be more fearful of letting a bad load spin because they know their crude suspension may not cope well with it.
I would expect that mid priced machines would have decent systems that may be less sensitive than budget machines but ultimately they all potentially suffer from the same side effect of refusing to spin some small or single item loads. There is likely to be some variance in tolerance and sensitivity between different makes but there’s no chart available that I’m aware of highlighting any differences.
For most people the advantages of protection from seriously damaging out of balance loads should far outweigh the inconvenience of the odd load not spinning.
Beware of large capacity washing machines
If you have a larger than normal drum such as 7 or 8 kg this problem may be worse because it takes more washing to make the drum nice and balanced than a smaller drum size.
Don’t buy a washing machine with a large drum if you do lots of small loads and don’t intend to double up your washing by washing large loads to save on the amount of washes you do.
Here’s a quote from the article linked to above –
… For example, my 7Kg washing machine will not spin 3 large towels. Last week my wife was extremely frustrated with our 7Kg drum washing machine as she had just washed our son’s hoody-top and wanted to spin it in the washer. It simply would not spin, so I advised her that it needed something to balance it out. She put in a couple of towels but still no spin..
…Eventually 5 towels were needed to balance out the absorbent top and allow a spin. This is a minor inconvenience compared to the benefit of being able to fit more washing in (even our king sized quilt) but it highlights how if you have a very large drum it could be more prone to not spinning small loads.
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Thanks Washerhelp – let’s hope that technology improves and this probem is eradicated as there must be a multitude of frustrated customers out there!
I am so glad I found this thread instead of phoning the suppliers about my apparently useless brand new machine ! I was disconcerted because I had done several smaller loads (wool, darks etc ) and they had gone fine but the hot white cotton wash had come out wet and then the bath sheet took ages to spin when I tried to do it by itself (the rest of the sheets on their own spun ok) I somehow had thought that this larger drum would deal with our large bath sheets better but now realise that my logic or grasp of physics was completely upside down. Another, larger load of sheets and towels (colour) was absolutely fine.
I’m now looking at a black bath mat wondering what to do with it – I didn’t trust its colourfastness to put it in with the rest of the cotton coloured wash – seems barmy that I might have a new machine and be handwashing and wringing. As someone commented before, bring back the mangle !
I have just bought a bosh washing machine WAP28360GB from Comets and i cant even get a short spin when i have hand washed an item it cost me £599.99 ithink for that sort of money it is not good.
I have a AEG , 4 years old, and had a nasty bath matt experiance , the machine bounced up and hit the kitchen worktop it sits under , , then shut itself down luckily .
No damage caused to Kitchen
We thought we had over laoded , but after reading this , it seems we underloaded or unbalance loaded it !!
I then put a small tea towel in alone to test it , and all worked however it didnt spin at max 1400rpm , so it was still wet, after reading this i understand it was under loaded !!!
So thankyou for the info,
Another thing i notice , my machine is mounted on suspended wooden flooring, then on top of laminate flooring , after reading elsewhere , placing a wooden plynth may help ?
thx
Paul
Hello Paul: Thanks for your contribution. In theory the bath mat shouldn’t have been allowed to spin in the first place as that’s what the out of balance protection system is designed to prevent. In the old days, without any protection your machine would have continued to spin for the full several minutes wrecking either the washer and or some part of the kitchen units.
The balancing of loads shouldn’t be reliant on how solid the floor is but a solid floor and level machine will help cut down on noise and a little movement.
HI washerhelp,
thankyou for your advice,
I am not sure but i think the machine was trying to balance , and maybe thought that it did ? as it seemed to start spinning , then suddenly the jumping which lasted about 1 second, before cutting off
I lifted the top cover off the machine to check allwas ok inside , and i have a scrape mark on the inside of the machines casing just above the drum itself !!! scarey !!!
I will get my spirit level out tonight and check its level .
So the key is put more than 1 heavy item in at any one time so they counter balance eachother !!!
I will update here after my leveling and a FULL BIG wash tonight
thanks
I have come back to this thread after some time and the conclusion seems to be that your washing machine is better protected against damage from unbalanced loads but as a result are not so useful as they were for small loads, especially for items which are very heavy when water-logged. These are also difficult to wring out by hand. What is needed is something to substantially get the weight down of these soggy bathmats and such like. My flippant suggestion that machine manufacturers might add a mangle on the top, like those old machines I remember from my youth, might be retro but useful. Alternatively, why can’t there be a special spin cycle for this purpose – one that removes a lot of water (to make items lighter and so not affect the balance too much) but will not spin to damaging speeds. Spin by easy stages, in other words. The present situation is that, on some occasions, we are worse off than our mums or grans.
Update !!
I put bath matt and 3 other towels in my AEG machine last night , it was quite a full load , and it washed them all perfectly , with no bouncing or jumping on full the full 1400 spin !!!!
Afterwards i put just a pair of jeans in and a top and socks , and due to be a very light load , only a 1000 spin was done !!!
I also dealt with some of my vibrations isues , due to the machine being situated on a suspended wooden floor , by placing those grey pipe lagging foam insulation covers each side of the machine ( i have wall one side and a unit the other) and another length wedged between the top of the machine and under the kitchen work surface.
Also i have also ordered some anti vibration feet too for £4
My next step is a service wash at 90deg c with some cleaning product
This has all been a complete learning exercise for me as reagrds to balanced loadings and under loading , so thanks to this site !!
Thx
Paul
So after 2 hours striping down the washing machine
6 beers
And a lot swearing
I thought maybe just maybe it’s because there not enough weight in the drum washing 1 top
Which brought me here and confirmed it
Well it’s 2am time for bed after that entertaining night
First port of call should always be the Internet Steve – after the beer of course :) Glad to have helped in the end.