Consumer Rights Act gives us 6 years to claim for faulty appliances

The Sale of Goods Act has been replaced by The Consumer Rights Act 2015. The new act is designed to, “simplify, strengthen and modernise the law, giving you clearer shopping rights”. So in theory our rights should be even better than with the old Sale of Goods Act. However, some retailers are telling customers that their rights are less if they bought an appliance after the 1st of October 2015.

This implies they believe the new act gives consumers less rights. Consumer group Which? have a form on their site that allows you to compose a faulty goods complaint message to send to a retailer. Part of the form asks if you bought your appliance before, or after October 2015.

This implies there is some difference too. However, it’s possible that the difference is only to determine which legislation to quote to the retailer. I’m currently doing more research, and will keep updating this article as I find more information.


How is the Consumer Rights Act 2015 different?

The main points in the new Consumer Rights Act are that goods must be – of Satisfactory qualityFit for purpose & As described. We also still have up to six years to take a claim to the small claims court for faulty goods in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and five years in Scotland. So it sounds pretty much the same as the old Sale of Goods Act.

The main improvements are that we have additional rights early on after purchase, at below 30 days, and below 6 months (described below). However, there does seem to be at least one potentially negative difference. After 6 months have passed, the onus is now on us to prove that the appliance was faulty when it was delivered.

If your complaint is that after 3 years your appliance has broken down with a fault that has rendered it economically unrepairable, then proving that it was faulty when delivered sounds very difficult. If this was the case, then depending on how much it cost, how much it’s been used and under what conditions, you may still have a valid claim.


Under the old Sale of Goods Act we still had to prove that this was due to a fault when the product was purchased. So nothing should really have changed except potentially the retailer’s interpretations. Here is a quote from consumer group Which? on their old Sale of Goods Act page –

If your claim under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ends up in a small claims court, you may have to prove that the fault was present when you bought the item and not, for example, something that was the result of normal wear and tear.   ”


This should still be applicable with the 2015 Consumer Rights Act. If for example you bought an appliance for £600, and after 18 months it is scrap because a fault developed unrelated to wear and tear – or misuse – and it was so expensive to repair that it is not worth repairing I would say you have a very valid claim under either the Sale of Goods Act or the Consumer Rights Act.

I would argue that a fault rendering the appliance unrepairable after only 18 months means that the part that failed was not of satisfactory quality and that should be covered by either of the consumer acts.

But what if the appliance had only cost £199? Well maybe 18 months for £199 isn’t so bad if it’s had heavy use? There are no actual rules. It’s what would be considered reasonable with all circumstances considered.

This is subjective. Likewise if an appliance was scrap after 3 years it might still reasonably be considered unacceptable on an appliance that cost £600 – but again, it’s subjective, and may need a small claims court judgement, or help from Which? or another consumer group to fight the case.


One thing is fairly sure, the retailer will almost always say there’s nothing they can do once it is out of the manufacturer’s guarantee. That is not true if you have a valid claim.

Is satisfactory quality still covered?

The consumer group Which? still list, “not of satisfactory quality” as one of the potential complaints in their template complaint letter even if you bought the appliance after October 2015.

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So, combined with the fact that we have up to 6 years to claim in the small claims court (5 in Scotland) this shows we can still claim if an appliance has not lasted a reasonable time due to unsatisfactory quality. Consider becoming a Which? member for full support and information on consumer rights.


Faulty within 30 days?

The Consumer Rights Act 2015 has now given us the right for a full refund if an appliance is faulty, unfit for purpose or not as described within the first 30 days. You must reject the product quickly though, as soon as anything is noticed.

Faulty under 6 months old?

The onus is now on the retailer to prove that a fault on a new appliance within the first 6 months is not an inherent fault. In other words unless they can prove otherwise it will be automatically assumed that your appliance had a fault when it was sold if it fails in the first 6 months.

You should be entitled to compensation or even a refund. Most retailers will still try to fob you off though. Many have a voluntary exchange policy of something like 28 days during which they will swap an appliance over out of “good will” if it fails inside the period. But after that they can be quite stubborn about it.

Any exchange policy is in addition to your rights and nothing to do with consumer rights at all. They might say they can’t exchange a faulty machine after this period, but if it is under 6 months old and has a fault you need to tell them they sold you a faulty product. That is in breach of the Consumer Rights Act.


This is of course assuming there is a genuine fault, and the issue isn’t related to poor installation, failure to use it properly, or misuse. If it’s only a minor fault though it may be more convenient to accept a repair. In fact they can insist on repairing it if they can show it’s disproportionately expensive to replace it. This little caveat can cause a lot of problems because they might argue that’s always the case. Generally though if it was a serious fault they’d probably find it better to swap it.

You should also be entitled to a refund or partial refund if a repair or replacement would cause you significant inconvenience, or if a repair would take an unreasonably long amount of time. This may well be applicable if a repairman looks at the appliance and says he needs to order parts that might take weeks to arrive and be fitted. I would especially argue the significant inconvenience issue if you had a fridge or freezer break down within 6 months and they can not repair it for weeks.

Any reasonable person is likely to argue that being without one of these vital appliances for more than a few days is very inconvenient.

You might argue the same thing if a washing machine can’t be repaired within (say) a week and you have a young baby or large family to wash for. After 6 months though things are different.


There is no 6 year guarantee

We do not have the right to free repairs up to the 5 or 6 years in the sense that any faults up to 6 years should be repaired free of charge, but I do think faults that render an appliance uneconomical to repair within the 6 years should be potentially covered (depending on full circumstances).

It’s not necessarily unreasonable if a fault develops on a washing machine or other white good within the first 5 or 6 years. Appliances can and do break down and this is accepted in the Consumer Rights Act. However, whilst it might be considered reasonable for a fault to develop on a £200 washing machine after 2 years washing for a family of 4 every day it might not be considered reasonable for a washing machine costing £600 to suffer the same – especially if only washing for a retired couple for example.

Major faults occurring within the first 5 or 6 years (which these days commonly render an appliance beyond economical repair) are a different matter though, and I believe many cases may well be covered. If an appliance breaks down and is unrepairable because of the huge cost quoted to repair it within the 5 or 6 years (especially after only 2 or 3) then I believe there is a strong case that the product has definitely not lasted a reasonable time.


You have to take into account how much it cost though, and how much use it’s had. Maybe if a washing machine only cost £200 and did 5 years of heavy washing it could be considered a reasonable lifespan, but one costing £350 and only washing for one person, or a couple, should surely have lasted longer? It’s very much open to interpretation but don’t forget the Consumer Rights Act specifically qualifies the phrase that a product should last a reasonable time by saying “reasonable” is “that (which) a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory”.

A can of worms is waiting to be opened

Until enough people start to fight for these rights and retailers and manufacturers are forced to comply most consumers may have to resort to taking a seller to the small claims court to get a decision on the true extent of their rights ( Small claims court advice ).


If this ever occurs on a large scale it will cause serious ripples. The status quo affords a lot of extra profit to retailers and manufacturers. It effectively encourages them to produce or sell poor quality products. They financially benefit from doing so through extra sales when they don’t last, extra repair business, extra sales of spare parts, and sales of extended warranties.

I’m sure many people take out an extended warranty to protect them from the fear of a major fault developing within the first 5 years, which may well be covered under the Consumer Rights Act. Related: consumers lost over £1bn last year through not using consumer rights | Money Helpline Saves Members Over a million pounds


What would happen if consumers actually received their statutory rights?

Shops going out of business?

I suspect retailers were made responsible for all problems with the products they sell – even when it’s clearly not their fault – for two reasons.

Firstly because the customer only has a contract with the people they bought from – and not the people who made it. They shouldn’t have to negotiate with faceless third parties. Secondly, and I’d like to think this was intended though it’s only speculation on my part, if retailers sell rubbish they (in theory) should suffer financial and time consuming consequences and would either stop selling the rubbish or put pressure on manufacturers to improve quality.

Unfortunately retailers do sell a lot of poor quality products that don’t last anywhere near as long as they should, and of course manufacturers continue to make them. Because most consumers don’t enforce their consumer rights both manufacturers and retailers generally profit nicely from sub standard quality and have little incentive to produce or sell better quality products.


Consumers take most of the impact of poor quality goods themselves by paying out extra for extended warranties or by replacing products far too often, or by paying out to repair products within the first 6 years when the retailer may well be liable.

Most manufacturers (of appliances at least) own so many brands they don’t even fear people being so dissatisfied with a brand that they don’t buy it again because they own many of the “alternative” brands. ( Who owns who? Who really makes your appliance? )

If consumers en mass started to reject the status quo it would put the cat amongst the pigeons and cause a lot of trouble for retailers and manufacturers. Retailers in particular wouldn’t know what had hit them. In the end they’d have to stop selling rubbish because they could no longer profit from doing so. They would only be able to survive selling products that were good enough to last the “reasonable time” expected.


I wouldn’t try to say that most appliances are so rubbish that the majority of them don’t last (although some might), but there’s little doubt that an unacceptable percentage of white goods appliances do suffer expensive breakdowns well within the first 5 or 6 years and this current situation, which is bad for the environment as well as consumers, is only viable because it’s the consumer that bears most of the financial costs. If the consumer refused to accept this burden it would pass back to the retailer as the Consumer Rights Act intended and guess what – the retailers would ensure products they sold were more reliable.

Would we be better off?

Would we better or worse off?

This paragraph is a little tongue in cheek but believe it or not I would worry about how all this could impact the economy especially in these very tough times for retailers.


If there’s one thing I’ve learnt from the “credit crunch” it’s that our economy seems to be based almost entirely on everyone buying lots of products they do not need, and replacing them way too regularly. As soon as we enter a time when people stop buying things they don’t really need we have mass unemployment and business’s struggle. So if all products were much more reliable it could have a big impact on sales and jobs.

It would however be better environmentally and that’s pretty important at the moment. The cost of products would have to go up because you can’t have very cheap and very reliable. It’s ironic that in a way, all these shoddy goods help keep our economy going. However, the same could be said for crime and vandalism, think how many jobs would be lost if there was no crime – seriously it would be millions.

There’s no need for every product to be high quality and there’s plenty of room for a healthy variance in quality but products should still last a “reasonable” time and most people would think a white goods appliance lasting less than 5 or 6 years before a major fault renders it not worth repairing is not reasonable in most circumstances.


Fair wear and tear clause

A vital point to realise is that the Sale of Goods act and the Consumer Rights Act in the UK giving rights to compensation for between 5 and 6 years is not a guarantee or warranty. There has always been a fair wear and tear clause. It has always said that it does not mean that no breakdowns at all should occur within this period –

Goods cannot always be expected to work fault-free. They can break down through normal use. Buyers cannot, therefore, expect to hold the seller responsible for fair wear and tear. There needs to be a fault that was present on the day of sale even though it only became apparent later on, or a mis-description of the goods, or a lack of durability that suggests the goods were not of satisfactory quality to start with.  ”


Research further

Related articles Last year I spent a few weeks researching consumer rights and wrote an entire section focusing on consumer rights for washing machine owners though most of the advice should be equally relevant for most appliances and even other products.

Many manufacturers give 2 year guarantees (such as Bosch) and even 5 year parts and labour guarantees such as Miele or 10 year guarantees (ISE10 and occasionally Miele). The longer the guarantee period the better. However, any guarantee given by a retailer or a manufacturer, as the famous phrase says, “is in addition to your statutory rights”.

The Consumer Rights Act is a separate right which often needs fighting for and is shrouded in mystery, confusion and denial as well as (to be fair) often over inflated expectations from consumers.

Here’s why being out of guarantee is often irrelevant

My article here gives examples of how even years out of guarantee we may still have rights – Out of guarantee doesn’t always mean you have to pay out


Related Consumer Links –

I’ve read all the consumer advice about washing machines, I’m thinking of taking them to court (This page contains a link which allows you to pursue a small claim online, without even having to leave home. The article is about washing machines but the link can be used to pursue any small claims court action)

My Consumer advice section.

The above link includes many links to consumer booklets and guides as well as looking at many related FAQs regarding white goods and repairs. One of the most useful guides available is written for retailers. This is a valuable guide for retailers, but as consumers it is very useful to see what retailers are being told are their responsibilities by the Department of Trade & Industry.

Five consumer laws you really ought to know. There are several references to washing machines and white goods in the article and the comments below it.


How The Consumer Rights Act leaves manufacturers with little or no consequences for making rubbish

Making only retailers responsible for poor quality products has major downsides. Everything I’ve read about consumer rights cases, and all of my personal experiences, have shown that the big retail companies usually deliberately stall us. They keep information from us and mislead us (proven by Which? research). They even keep their front line staff in the dark about our rights so that they genuinely believe we have no rights, and sound convincing when they fob us off. They realise most people will give up so they play the numbers game. They disingenuously refuse to help us when we have bought products that have been of very poor quality, have not lasted a reasonable time, or have had design faults and inherent faults.

They refuse to give refunds or replacements even when we quote our Consumer Rights or threaten to take them to the small claims court. They know this method weeds out most people. I’m not talking about when customers make unreasonable demands, which does happen, but when we have clear and obvious claims. If you have a genuine claim the chances are very remote that the retailer will admit it. Unless you make a serious fuss they have nothing to loose by stalling you until they get official small claims court papers through. Then they will likely pay up.

In my opinion the system does not work well at all. The retailers are not to blame for shoddy goods, yet they have to suffer losses of time and money sometimes years after selling a product and they presumably do not agree with it. Maybe this is why – Is the Consumer Rights Act 2015 too hard on retailers?.

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266 thoughts on “Consumer Rights Act gives us 6 years to claim for faulty appliances”

  1. Whirlpool –
    I have a whirlpool AWOD 6727

    I have had it for 14 months it began screaming and banging and the bearings have gone on the drum = it gave me an electric shock. Guess what Neither Whirlpool or Comet want to know – quoting YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT EXTRA WARRANTY. Comet offered to come and look at it they wanted to charge me for the call out and then go away write a report and decide who was to blame – how long would all that take. I called them on Thursday and they could not come till tuesday and then go away and write the report. I meanwhile have NO WASHING MACHINE. I have written and emailed to the Chief Executive of COMET and am awaiting a reply.

  2. R Wright: Apologies for not replying sooner.

    Saying that you should have bought an extended warranty looks a bit disingenuous. By purchasing an extended warranty you absolve them of most Sale of Goods responsibilities because by paying for extra cover any Sale of Goods claims can be just dealt with by the insurance company instead of them. To make matters worse if they are an authorised repair dealer for the insurance company they will even get paid for sorting out the problem they are obliged under consumer law to compensate you for. No wonder they love the extended warranties.

    Having said that, it could be argued that taking out this cover does offer some useful protection against this sort of situation because as you are finding, claiming against the retailer for a product that hasn’t lasted a reasonable time is a hassle to say the least, which is why the vast majority of legitimate claims are never made, or if made never followed up.

    It’s a bit of a cheek for a retailer to say you need to take out extra insurance (which they profit from), so that if it turns out they’ve sold you a rubbish product you don’t have to fight them to get compensated and they don’t have to lose out financially by compensating you.

    Having said that –

    When a customer has a broken down appliance, which they feel hasn’t lasted a reasonable time and is therefore covered under the Sale of Goods Act they naturally complain to the retailer. However, it’s quite legitimate for the retailer to not immediately just accept the complaint and compensate them. They have a right to send someone out to inspect the appliance first. They also have a right to charge the customer if it turns out not to be a valid case – although clearly there is a lot of room for dispute about how valid the case may be, and a retailer may dispute a case that a small claims court may validate.

    Example –

    A customer could complain that the bearings have gone, and the washing machine is making a horrible grinding noise, but the truth could be that the noise is coming from a small nail or screw left in a pocket and being ground by the impeller. There are numerous examples of faults a customer could be unaware are not really the fault of the appliance, some of which I highlight in this article – I don’t want my washing machine repaired – I want it exchanged

    A customer could complain after 20 months the washing machine has suffered a major breakdown and it should have lasted longer, but it could be the cheapest washing machine on the market and an engineer may call to the house and see the washing machine is in a bad state, been knocked about and is washing for an extended family of 10 people with mountains of washing piled up in the corner. In such a case (which does happen) they would argue the washing machine has lasted as long as you could reasonably expect for how much it cost and what it’s had to cope with, and they’d probably be right.

    So if we accept that in order for both parties to be sure of fair play the retailer will usually need to get an engineer to inspect the machine then the problem is that it’s all going to take time, and there’s the potential for dispute. In your case I would agree to the retailer coming out to inspect the machine and agree to pay their call out if it turns out to be something not covered as long as they agree that if the drum bearings have actually failed that this is unacceptable and you have a right for compensation under the Sale of Goods Act. If they dispute this fact from the start, what is the point of them inspecting the machine?

    If they do dispute this you have to decide if you accept that or not, and if not, your only options are to try and enlist a consumer group to help you deal with them, or take them to the small claims court for the cost of the repair or a refund (minus an appropriate amount for the use you’ve had from the machine so far), which can be done online, and should be relatively straight forward ( I want to claim compensation from the repair company or the washing machine seller )

    If you do this you have no guarantee you will win out but I’ve heard of many cases where people have received compensation or new products after 3 years and even 5. There seems to be a lack of actual cases to learn from on the Internet (I hope this article will eventually attract enough examples of successful or even failed cases, which we can all learn from).

    Unfortunately unless something changes this is the way things are. Whilst this is the case some consumers will prefer to just buy an extended warranty to cover the risk. My personal preference is to use the money an extended warranty costs to buy a better appliance in the first place, preferably one with a longer guarantee, but I accept this isn’t necessarily the best option for everyone. I just find it depressing to think that the people who need the protection of extended warranties the most (because they will be seriously affected by any future repair bills or early replacement costs) are the people who can often least afford to pay extra for virtually every product they buy to “insure” it and would save many thousands of pounds over their lifetime if they didn’t have to fork out for them.

    A high quality retailer is likely to be far more mindful of their hard won reputation and more likely to deal favourably with Sale of Goods claims. Retailers trading not so much on reputation but on price, and big volume sales are more likely to be obstructive in the face of such claims.

  3. Re my posting of 8th. Jan. 2010 re faulty kitchen unit doors, I am pleased to report a successful conclusion. A date was fixed for the Small Claims court hearing, but it seemed sensible to consider the local arbitration offered, especially as the judge’s comments implied it would be unwise not to! This can only happen if all parties agree, which took some time to establish. Because of this arrangement, the court hearing was put back until 30th. July.

    Meanwhile I had been exchanging letters mainly with the retailer’s owners’ solicitors, who clearly wrote their letters without bothering to read the facts of the case first (for instance that we had already arranged to have replacement unit doors fitted). No doubt they would be charging high fees to their clients for these letters. One such letter showed them in such a bad light, that I forwarded it to the court in order to strengthen my case. The solicitors were quite miffed that I had forwarded a “Without Prejudice” letter, but I pointed out I was just an ordinary member of the public and could not get involved in any legal arguments. I received no more letters from them.

    Re the arbitration, which would have involved myself and three other parties being available at the same time on the phone, it was decided it was too complicated to organise, and the court hearing was confirmed. As 30th. July approached, the manufacturers’ solicitors offered £1300 in settlement, £700 from themselves, £300 from the wholesalers, and £300 from the retailers’ owners. This was about £150 more than I would have claimed in an early settlement, and covered the full cost of replacement with doors of a similar cost, but in our view, of better quality.

    Finally, on 4th. August, the last two cheques arrived. I hope this encourages others to make claims against suppliers of goods which become unreasonably faulty.

  4. Excellent Ken, many thanks for the update. Your case, although not related to white goods is a perfect example of using the sale of goods act to get compensation even for a much more serious amount than a washing machine and after 4 years.

    It’s also a great example of how you usually have to fight for your rights, and be patient. We all have rights under the sale of goods act, but as in civil law, having the right doesn’t automatically get us justice if the other side doesn’t comply.

    The lesson is that if you genuinely believe you are in the right, and don’t fall at all the hurdles they throw in front of you, then you can get compensation in the end. You need a just case though. The retailers often won’t comply, not necessarily because they believe they are in the right – but often because they know if they just accept all claims it will cost them a fortune.

    If anyone else has examples of where they’ve fought for compensation or recompense please post them, the more the better. Even cases that failed can help us get a handle on this complex issue.

  5. Hi

    i am looking for some advice, i purchased a white samsung tv from a company called beyond televisions, the tv cost £750 and broke down after just 6 months, Beyond did get someone out to take the tv out and repair it but now the tv is showing the exact same fault.

    i contacted beyond who have told me that the tv is now over the 1 year warranty and they can’t help me now. can you please give me some advice as i am very angry at this. for a brand new tv to give 2 exactly the same faults within 14 months is not acceptible

    Please help

    Chris

  6. Dear Chris,
    Your comment was passed on to me, so here is my reply:
    Firstly, I need to explain I am not legally qualified, but I am happy to give you my opinion. Secondly, it is vital that you phone Trading Standards at 0845-404-0506. The advisors there are authorised by the Office of Fair Trading. I had to phone them myself recently after our £200 Samsung washing machine basically died after 2 and a half year

    In my personal view, you would need to remind the retailer (who is responsible to you in this case) that even under EU law we have a minimum 2-year cover, and that in any case, since the original fault has not been cured, this failure extends their claimed 1-year cover until the repair is permanent (within the 6 years).
    (Please ask Trading Standards if they agree with this!) I would ask T.S. how often the same fault has to occur before you could claim a new replacement or refund.

    T.S. may give you advice which means that if the retailer does not agree to comply with their ruling, you would have to take them to the Small Claims Court. As a Limited company has to be represented in the Small Claims Court by a solicitor, and their solicitors would be writing letters to you, it becomes very expensive for them to defend the case, with the risk of additional costs being awarded to you, so they would not normally defend the case in court, but would settle shortly before the case was due to be heard. Retailers assume that you would not ‘go all the way’, because of the hassle involved, but it is important for consumers to take them on until retailers generally get the message. Even the threat of taking them to court may be enough for some retailers, especially in the current economic climate. If, after advice, it turns out that you feel you have to return the TV to the retailer for a refund or replacement with another make, and they refuse, and you buy a replacement somewhere else, you would then claim all the costs through the court.

    Also, you should be able to obtain 30 minutes free advice on the matter from any solicitor, I understand, but check first! As using the Small Claims Court may put you off, you can always phone me at 01253-899742 for info about my experience. Please obtain all the leaflets from the court, which will freely be posted to you if you ask your local court.

    Hope this helps,
    Ken Gorman

  7. Hi Chris: When they said they can’t help you now as it’s out of guarantee they really meant they can’t help you now without inconvenience and cost to themselves. I sympathise with retailers caught in the middle of poor quality products and consumers but as they are profiting from selling these products the government has decided to make them responsible. That way if certain products cost them a lot of money because of extended claims under the sale of goods act they will stop selling them or pressure manufacturers to make them more reliable.

    Unfortunately they do have responsibilities under the sale of goods act and you can claim compensation up to 6 years after purchase in the UK. By claim though I mean try to claim.

    As my article states though, this in no way means you have a 6 year guarantee (5 in Scotland) covering all faults, it just means consumers can make a claim under the sale of goods act up to 6 years but the claim could be rejected by the courts if it isn’t deemed valid. As Ken says, you need to get the advice of Trading Standards and if they say you have a case confront the shop with it. If they still refuse to do anything you have to take them to the small claims court or at least threaten to.

    These “rights” are in no way clear cut, and few if any retailers will willingly give them to us. They have to be fought for either by being insistent, speaking to managers, writing to head office or taking them to the small claims court. I want to claim compensation from the repair company or the washing machine seller

  8. This has been very helpful. I have a Servis washer/dryer bought in July 2007 and the dryer’s mucking about and not working properly right now. I’m going to get a guy out to tell me how much it will cost me to get it fixed but I’m dreading it being loadsa’ money as it cost me £329 then.
    If it turns out to be a large quote would you advise I go back to the seller-an online site ?
    Many Thanks for any help.
    Lynda~

  9. Hello Lynda: If a washing machine breaks down after about 3 and a half years it’s not necessarily an issue that you could get compensation for. The Sale of goods act doesn’t say products should not break down within the first 5 or 6 years, only that they should last a reasonable time and be fit for the purpose.

    Occasional breakdowns of a highly mechanical appliance are par for the course so it would depend entirely on what had gone wrong and if it was related in any way to “fair wear and tear” although this would depend on the type of use it’s had.

    I would say if a major fault has occurred that makes the washing machine unrepairable (or beyond economical repair) then you should have a case for claiming it hasn’t lasted a reasonable time. In such case you would need to claim against the retailer.

  10. Thank you for your reply. I think it’s a part in the dryer that’s gone as the top of the machine gets hot but heat doesn’t reach the drum. I guess it will come down to fair wear ‘n’ tear which is what I was thinking, even though it only gets used once a week and not even that in warmer months !!
    Cheers, Lynda~

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