Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?

Soapy-water My attention was drawn to rinsing efficiency after noticing that out of dozens of washing machines reviewed by Which? most of them had a poor rating for rinsing. Even those singled out as Best Buys were “poor” at rinsing. Believe it or not, at least one Best Buy was “very poor”. I found that pretty shocking.

From studying the figures it is clear that if “good”, or “very good” rinsing was one of the prerequisites for a Best Buy there would be no Best Buy washing machines or washer dryers at all – not a single one. It appears that Which? have decided to allow the poor rinsing results to be a caveat instead of a best buy killer. Please note however that several Which? best buys are “satisfactory” at rinsing which is something at least.


Out of 125 washing machines and washer dryers tested, a remarkable 75 of them (60%) were rated either “poor” or “very poor” at rinsing with only 3 getting the rating we should expect for all washing machines which is “good”.

The rest were a mere “satisfactory”. To summarise, just less than 3 % of the 125 washers & dryers are “good” at rinsing according to Which?

Since writing this article I’ve discovered Which? no longer give the majority of washing machines 1 or 2 star ratings for rinsing ability, and the majority appear to get 3 or 4 stars. Which? tell me they’ve readjusted their rinse marks to more accurately reflect the degrees of abilities between even poor rinsing machines. However, they are still critical of many of their rinsing abilities in the comments and the pros and cons.


What does this mean?

Well for a start it doesn’t mean that we can settle for one of the three washing machines that are “good” at rinsing because they unfortunately let themselves down in other areas such as with “noisy spin, and poor brand reliability”. However, if you really need a washing machine that rinses better than any other – maybe because of allergies – then at least Which? have identified three candidates out of the 125 they’ve tested so far.

I have to advise though that you should go for them only if good rinsing is your most important requirement and are prepared to accept big compromises elsewhere – as long as it rinses well.

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Why aren’t they rinsing properly and does it really matter?

Surely all washing machines should rinse well? It’s surely quite simple, you just use enough water to rinse them properly. It’s astounding that we have reached the situation where the majority of washing machines and washer dryers on sale in the UK are apparently poor at rinsing.

Save-water This has probably come about because people have been focussing on other aspects, which has left rinsing as a low priority. Two explanations spring to mind. Firstly, the focus on using less and less water is clearly impacting on our washing machine’s ability to rinse effectively. Whereas modern detergents can facilitate efficient and effective washing results at lower temperatures and with less water, no such product is currently allowing effective rinsing with much less water.


Good rinsing needs plenty of water which is in direct opposition to the current environmental concerns and clamour to be the washing machine using the least amount of water.

Eco Labels
Eco Labels

The second explanation I can think of is that the eco-labelling system which awards ratings for energy efficiency, spin efficiency and wash efficiency do not appear to take into account rinse efficiency.

As such, manufacturers aren’t being judged on how well their washing machines rinse, only on how well they wash and how well they extract water on spin. I’m speculating at this stage, but I can’t see how so many washing machines could be awarded an “A” wash efficiency rating if the tests took into account how well the clothes were rinsed. Presumably, as long as all stains are removed and laundry looks “clean” no one bothers about how much soap detergent residue is left.


It might be a good idea to create a fourth category, “rinse efficiency” on the eco labels, or at least include the rinse efficiency as part of the wash efficiency test.

Allergies Ultimately if customers don’t notice an issue then it could be argued that it doesn’t really matter.

Maybe it doesn’t for most people, but it surely does to anyone sensitive to wash detergents and with allergies and a lot of people are. There were 581 comments added on this topic from such people before I had to close comments to prevent it being endless.

The current situation is that to anyone keen to buy a washing machine with good rinsing I have no washing machine to recommend because none of the companies producing the best, and the most reliable washing machines currently supply one that rinses above average according to Which? although this could easily change and you would need to check out the latest to be sure.


Are Which? wrong?

Are Which? being too critical? Are Which? applying too stringent a rinse test? I must admit I’ve not had many complaints from people saying their washing machine isn’t rinsing properly and my own Miele washing machine, which although a Which? Best Buy, didn’t receive a “good” rating for rinsing yet it appears to rinse perfectly well as far as we can see.

In fact I remarked to my wife that my clothes don’t smell of detergent like they used to in the old washing machine and deduced that it rinsed much better. However, neither of us have any reactions to washing machine detergent. The thing about Which? is that they are totally independent.

They work only for their subscribers interests and are actually a registered charity. They don’t make any money directly by recommending any product (even though they could) because they want to be seen as 100% unbiased. They are highly respected and I expect they test products fairly. However, my understanding is that the do charge for companies to display their “Best Buy” logo!

I suspect Which? are right and that modern washing machines don’t generally rinse very well because of the reasons I speculate about above. Whether it matters or whether it will change depends on whether enough of the public are bothered, or even notice. The 581 comments added to this article below show that many people do find this a big issue.


Which? research

NOTE: Which? do rate some washing machines as satisfactory for rinsing and even a couple are rated as good, although unfortunately the few rated good (so far) are not so good on reliability.

Which? are constantly reviewing washing machines so if rinsing is particularly important to you it makes sense to become a member and see all the buying advice. I can’t print their advice for copyright reasons.

Here’s how they describe their reviews –

We are of course well known for our traditional product testing. And when we test something like the proverbial washing machine, we will ask the laboratory not only to measure how clean the clothes get, but how much water and energy is used? How easy is it to work out the programmes? What is the machine like on specialist cycles? How long does it take? All these things feed into our best buy criteria.

We will devise the testing schedule by looking at things from the ordinary user’s point of view: and if standard industry methods are not good enough we will devise our own methods   ”

Causes of poor rinsing

There are some common causes of poor rinsing even in washing machines that do rinse well that it might be useful to point out. Anyone experiencing poor rinsing problems where washing comes out with detergent residues or white powder streaks should read this – White streaks or residual washing powder after washing

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546 thoughts on “Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?”

  1. Re: comment #482

    Nina, if water is so scarce in this country, why do water companies spend about 2 weeks doing nothing before attending to a reported water leak in the street?

    I agree with Oliver’s comment #483 110-percent!!

    If the environment is THAT important to the environmentalists, why don’t they insist that the washing machine manufacturers make washing machines much more reliable, as modern ones get scrapped at very young ages and also insist on returning to using the hot water valve to benefit owners of solar-heated hot water, instead of just making washing machines use too little water? It’s lack of water being used that’s forcing people like myself to pour in extra water through the soap drawer, otherwise my skin suffers!!

    If washing machines used enough warm water and actually rinsed properly, then I would not need to fill the drum with lots of extra water. Maybe I’m now using too much water to compensate for not enough being used in the first place? Maybe good rinsing can be achieved with less warm water compared to cold? But the rinses have to be performed for long enough and interim spins must also be performed, which helps to force out the soapsuds.

    If towels are not washed at 60C, expect to become ill more often!! The same applies to any bacteria-prone items e.g. nurses’ uniforms.

  2. From what i have found is liquids and liqui-tabs are the worst for rinsing out. I now stick to powders because like Oliver says they clean the best plus they have all the technology to look after your machine. I can think of better ways of saving water like having a shower instead of a bath. It is fact you need lots of water to get clothes cleaned in both the wash and rinse processes. Plus you can always save the water from your washing machine. By law detergents have to be biodegradeable and there is a lot of misinformation out there. Ecover for example still contains some dubious chemicals. It is more eco-friendly to wash at a lower temperature and use Ariel, Persil or Daz than wash at high temperatures using Ecover etc. I use Ariel at the moment as it was on special offer and the rinsing is excellent but only if i top up the water level in the final rinse. I think my Hotpoint WMA30 is about 15 years old now but is still a lot better than the modern rubbish. I was actually told it was a Bosch (hotpoint engineer told me) which might explain why its lasted 15 years!

    Stear clear from own brand and ‘eco friendly’ detergents you will end up ruining your machine as they do not contain the additives that keep a machine clean and limescale free.

    Quick wash programmes are not wash programmes and are designed for things that have not been worn next to the skin. Hope you find that useful Nina.

    All the best

    Simon

  3. Hi Simon,

    The WMA is a Hotpoint, nowt to do with Bosch. They were launched about the year 2000-2002 and were the last Hotpoint machines ever made before te Indesit Company pushed them off a cliff!

    Oliver.

  4. Yes, liquid detergents don’t rinse out of either the laundry OR out of the machine (apparently people who use liquid laundry detergent have significantly more problems with “an off-odour in the washer” (caused by detergent deposits and limescale deposits – a good environment for bacteria to grow). Plus, liquid detergents are kind of messy… Having a lot of water is especially important in the rinse – in the wash, there are two schools of thought: using less water will concentrate the detgerent vs using a lot of water will pleasantly dilute the wash solution.

  5. There are a lot of ridiculous things done “in the name of the environment”, like forcing detergent manufacturers to make phosphate-free detergents, yet there is no control of INDUSTRIAL uses of phosphates, which is a larger amount by magnitudes, or requiring low-flow showerheads (and people compensate by taking showers that are twice as long) and cheap low-flow toilets which require multiple flushes to leave no trace of solid waste… (The more expensive ones often have some sort of pressure tank inside or a more efficient flow pattern.)

  6. I agree Mark. Another laughable example I’ve come across was an electric hand dryer in a public toilet which switched off far too soon and resulted in me having to press it again to finish off drying my hands only to leave it still running when I’d finished. Many of these measures turn out to be counter productive.

  7. Oh, how can I forget THAT? Electric blow dryers in public toilets are often touted as “not cuasing chapped hands”, “being more hygienic”, and “reducing paper waste”… Unfortunately, if there are a lot of people in the washroom, people almost NEVER dry their hands completely (a task that should take around 20 seconds, to do properly takes well over a minute with anemic hand dryers, so if one considers a whole bunch of people with damp hands all pulling the door handles “more sanitary”, that’s news to me… Somehow I don’t see people saying things like “sure, I’ve had a cold three times this winter, but I helped save a tree, so my weeks of misery are worht it for the planet”.

  8. I’ve just ordered a Miele W5740 but had considered the ISE10 1607W. I am now concerned I’ve made the wrong choice and infact I should have gone down the ISE route. There just does not seem to be enough people that have gone that way so despite some great marketing and some great reviews I’m still a little circumspect about it but I have a feeling the Miele is going to cause issues after the 10yr warranty is up with their overly expensive repairs and parts! :-(

    Can anyone put my mind at rest or I have I just bought a longer term more expensive machine :-(

  9. Damian: The ISE route is definitely best if you want to ensure you can get it repaired easily and relatively cheaply and/or diy repairs with good access to technical support and even help and advice from ISE.

    On the other hand the W5740 should be an extremely good washing machine. Which? said of it, “This star performer from Miele more than deserves its Best Buy status – it’s the highest scoring washing machine we’ve ever tested. It’s extremely fast, gives excellent cleaning results and is easy to use”. It has a 10 year warranty so by the time it runs out who knows what the situation will be. Enjoy the Miele.

  10. @Damian

    I hear that all Miele washing machines have a “Water Plus” system, which can be configured (the “how to” will be in the instruction booklet) to add extra water and possibly add more water to the main wash too? Please check you configure the “Water Plus” to ensure maximum water intake, so your clothes get rinsed better – or I should say “properly” lol. If water plus is not configured, the Miele will behave as all modern washing machines have to by default i.e. use very little water to be “eco friendly”, which we know is not ideal.

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