Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?

Soapy-water My attention was drawn to rinsing efficiency after noticing that out of dozens of washing machines reviewed by Which? most of them had a poor rating for rinsing. Even those singled out as Best Buys were “poor” at rinsing. Believe it or not, at least one Best Buy was “very poor”. I found that pretty shocking.

From studying the figures it is clear that if “good”, or “very good” rinsing was one of the prerequisites for a Best Buy there would be no Best Buy washing machines or washer dryers at all – not a single one. It appears that Which? have decided to allow the poor rinsing results to be a caveat instead of a best buy killer. Please note however that several Which? best buys are “satisfactory” at rinsing which is something at least.


Out of 125 washing machines and washer dryers tested, a remarkable 75 of them (60%) were rated either “poor” or “very poor” at rinsing with only 3 getting the rating we should expect for all washing machines which is “good”.

The rest were a mere “satisfactory”. To summarise, just less than 3 % of the 125 washers & dryers are “good” at rinsing according to Which?

Since writing this article I’ve discovered Which? no longer give the majority of washing machines 1 or 2 star ratings for rinsing ability, and the majority appear to get 3 or 4 stars. Which? tell me they’ve readjusted their rinse marks to more accurately reflect the degrees of abilities between even poor rinsing machines. However, they are still critical of many of their rinsing abilities in the comments and the pros and cons.


What does this mean?

Well for a start it doesn’t mean that we can settle for one of the three washing machines that are “good” at rinsing because they unfortunately let themselves down in other areas such as with “noisy spin, and poor brand reliability”. However, if you really need a washing machine that rinses better than any other – maybe because of allergies – then at least Which? have identified three candidates out of the 125 they’ve tested so far.

I have to advise though that you should go for them only if good rinsing is your most important requirement and are prepared to accept big compromises elsewhere – as long as it rinses well.

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Why aren’t they rinsing properly and does it really matter?

Surely all washing machines should rinse well? It’s surely quite simple, you just use enough water to rinse them properly. It’s astounding that we have reached the situation where the majority of washing machines and washer dryers on sale in the UK are apparently poor at rinsing.

Save-water This has probably come about because people have been focussing on other aspects, which has left rinsing as a low priority. Two explanations spring to mind. Firstly, the focus on using less and less water is clearly impacting on our washing machine’s ability to rinse effectively. Whereas modern detergents can facilitate efficient and effective washing results at lower temperatures and with less water, no such product is currently allowing effective rinsing with much less water.


Good rinsing needs plenty of water which is in direct opposition to the current environmental concerns and clamour to be the washing machine using the least amount of water.

Eco Labels
Eco Labels

The second explanation I can think of is that the eco-labelling system which awards ratings for energy efficiency, spin efficiency and wash efficiency do not appear to take into account rinse efficiency.

As such, manufacturers aren’t being judged on how well their washing machines rinse, only on how well they wash and how well they extract water on spin. I’m speculating at this stage, but I can’t see how so many washing machines could be awarded an “A” wash efficiency rating if the tests took into account how well the clothes were rinsed. Presumably, as long as all stains are removed and laundry looks “clean” no one bothers about how much soap detergent residue is left.


It might be a good idea to create a fourth category, “rinse efficiency” on the eco labels, or at least include the rinse efficiency as part of the wash efficiency test.

Allergies Ultimately if customers don’t notice an issue then it could be argued that it doesn’t really matter.

Maybe it doesn’t for most people, but it surely does to anyone sensitive to wash detergents and with allergies and a lot of people are. There were 581 comments added on this topic from such people before I had to close comments to prevent it being endless.

The current situation is that to anyone keen to buy a washing machine with good rinsing I have no washing machine to recommend because none of the companies producing the best, and the most reliable washing machines currently supply one that rinses above average according to Which? although this could easily change and you would need to check out the latest to be sure.


Are Which? wrong?

Are Which? being too critical? Are Which? applying too stringent a rinse test? I must admit I’ve not had many complaints from people saying their washing machine isn’t rinsing properly and my own Miele washing machine, which although a Which? Best Buy, didn’t receive a “good” rating for rinsing yet it appears to rinse perfectly well as far as we can see.

In fact I remarked to my wife that my clothes don’t smell of detergent like they used to in the old washing machine and deduced that it rinsed much better. However, neither of us have any reactions to washing machine detergent. The thing about Which? is that they are totally independent.

They work only for their subscribers interests and are actually a registered charity. They don’t make any money directly by recommending any product (even though they could) because they want to be seen as 100% unbiased. They are highly respected and I expect they test products fairly. However, my understanding is that the do charge for companies to display their “Best Buy” logo!

I suspect Which? are right and that modern washing machines don’t generally rinse very well because of the reasons I speculate about above. Whether it matters or whether it will change depends on whether enough of the public are bothered, or even notice. The 581 comments added to this article below show that many people do find this a big issue.


Which? research

NOTE: Which? do rate some washing machines as satisfactory for rinsing and even a couple are rated as good, although unfortunately the few rated good (so far) are not so good on reliability.

Which? are constantly reviewing washing machines so if rinsing is particularly important to you it makes sense to become a member and see all the buying advice. I can’t print their advice for copyright reasons.

Here’s how they describe their reviews –

We are of course well known for our traditional product testing. And when we test something like the proverbial washing machine, we will ask the laboratory not only to measure how clean the clothes get, but how much water and energy is used? How easy is it to work out the programmes? What is the machine like on specialist cycles? How long does it take? All these things feed into our best buy criteria.

We will devise the testing schedule by looking at things from the ordinary user’s point of view: and if standard industry methods are not good enough we will devise our own methods   ”

Causes of poor rinsing

There are some common causes of poor rinsing even in washing machines that do rinse well that it might be useful to point out. Anyone experiencing poor rinsing problems where washing comes out with detergent residues or white powder streaks should read this – White streaks or residual washing powder after washing

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546 thoughts on “Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?”

  1. Hi Simon,

    Yes I think Persil cleans a million times better than Ariel, Ariel is as you say too soapy, it makes my Mums machine overflow whilst sudslocking, as does Daz and Bold. Persil and Surf are by far the least soapy, both made by Unilever. Ariels cleaning has massivley decreased ever since they introduced the new formula, all it does is foam. From what I can tell all Proctor and Gamble detergents are far too soapy, do not clean that well and do not rinse out so easily. Unilevers Rinse out easier, however the cleaning performance of Surf is questionable too.

    Yes I think it COULD ( I admit I’m not sure) be wise to avoid optical brighteners, as the form a permanent bond between the fabrics fibres, once there even if only washed once with a detergent containing them, cannot be removed.

    My feeling is with the liquid they are left out of colourcare is beacause if they wasn’t the bio and colourcare would have exactly the same ingredients. Although with the powder there is abscence of bleach and optical brighteners, but no liquid can contain bleach due to chemical mixing reasons, it would all sink to the bottom, and manuactureres do not trust people to shake the bottle before each wash! Optical brighteners are suppost to have an effect on white and coloured clothing, they certainly don’t fade anything, if they left them out of the detergents all together, or never introduced them you would notice no difference!

    As far as I know they are not biodegradeable as you say.

    All the best,

    Oliver.

  2. Oliver,

    Thanks for your help on brightening agents. The only way i can avoid optical brighteners is to use ‘Colour care’ detergent as i am sure i react to them. Seeing as they absorb ultraviolet light are they a good idea to be used what with the dangers of them letting the suns rays through the clothes? You are basically attracting the suns rays wearing clothes dosed in these unnessary chemicals?

    I have checked Unilever ingredients for Small and Mighty and they are exactly the same ingredients except the OB is left out of the colour one.

    Simon

  3. Hi Simon,

    Optical brighteners don’t attract the suns rays, they just reflect them, they could help stop the suns rays from reaching you by reflecting however whether this is true or not I would like to say. I find wearing white helps protect me from the sun as that too reflects the UV back, but black and dark garments fry me!

    All the best,

    Oliver.

  4. Hi Oliver,

    Regarding ‘Builders’ and ‘Water softners’ in detergents do the cheaper brands contain them? I know for a fact Mcbride make Aldi’s detergents so would assume they include all the necessary components to help keep a washing machine healthy etc. But what about Ecover, Sainsburys, Tesco’s, CO-OP etc? I always have had the motto you do get what you pay for but sometimes unbranded is just as good. But last thing i want to do is damage a washing machine.

    Has anyone tried Simply detergents? And what about Method laundry? How you find they compare to the established brands?

    On a slightly different note, a retail assistant told me personally that own brand dishwasher salts are full of impurities and that you should use Finish salt. And the difference it makes!

    Simon

  5. Hi Simon,

    The cheaper detergents do contain builders to soften the water, however the quality is somewhat lacking and can cause scale damage. Just like the other ingredients, bleach, enzymes and surfactants etc. they are much lower grade than those on Unilever and Proctor & Gamble, so performance is sacrificed. When it comes to laundry detergent your saying applies very well, you certainly do get what you pay for! If you look on the package and it says Zeolites and Polycarboxilates then it contains water softening builders. As far as I know there is no such thing as a laundry detergent without the builders contained in the formulation, only difference is the quality.

    I have not tried Simply, however it is recommended by ISE, they claim it is as good as Ariel, now I don’t rate the cleaning efficiency of Ariel anymore and it is too soapy, so have never tried Simply on these grounds. Never heard of Method either. The only detergent I find useful these days is Persil Bio, Non-Bio and Colourcare powders all wash very well and are not too soapy. All the rest are left miles behind in cleaning performance, in particular Surf, it will not remove chip fat from a cotton jumper even on a boil wash with a biological pre-wash beforehand, so its pretty dismal stuff.

    Yep, the advice you were given about disherwasher salt is correct, own brand salts do not soften the water completely and do clog the machines with limescale.

    All the best,

    Oliver.

  6. Has anyone else tried rinsing clothes in warm water and noticed a difference? I still follow my method on comment #287 as it’s quicker than all the other methods I’ve tried. For those of you who leave the washing machine unattended and come back to it later on in the day, following the idea on comment #287 should help.

    In some situations, you can’t add extra water e.g. owners of some washing machines like certain newer Hotpoints that have the soap drawer concealed behind the big door when its closed or if the washing machine is in a garage, away from a tap.

    Until consumers demand washing machines that rinse PROPERLY instead of demanding cheap washing machines that are no good, we will be putting up with partially rinsed clothes and major skin allergies for a very long time!!

  7. Hi Oliver,

    Thanks for the information on brightening agents. I have been using the new concentrated version of Ecover liquid that is biological. It performs better than own brands and has removed grass stains though i do directly rub the liquid onto the stain. You mention somewhere on here about Ecover causing bad smells etc? But it won’t damage my machine if i do my monthly maintenance wash with bio persil powder? I wash mainly at 40 degrees, sometimes 50 degrees but underwear and bedding on 60 degrees.

    Simon

  8. Hi Simon,

    No, you won’t have any trouble if you boil the machine out with Persil every 4 weeks. To get maximum benefit you need to use the amount recommended for your area, 95ml for soft water, 130ml for medium and 175ml for hard. This will keep the innards clean and bacteria free. Washing at 60oC with bedding also helps keep things clean too, so you should have no problems.

    If Ecover works better than own brand it looks like they have improved the formulation, removing grass staing is no mean feat!

    All the best,

    Oliver.

  9. Simon: Biological enzymes are killed off at above 40 degrees and designed for cool washing. A maintenance wash needs to be using at least 60 degrees or even 90 so I believe normal powder detergent containing bleaching agents would be best. Normal Persil should be good. Likewise, biological detergent may not work as well on any wash over 40 degrees.

  10. Thanks Washerhelp. On Persil and Ariel packaging it does say the enzymes can work up to 95 degrees celsius.

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