Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?

Soapy-water My attention was drawn to rinsing efficiency after noticing that out of dozens of washing machines reviewed by Which? most of them had a poor rating for rinsing. Even those singled out as Best Buys were “poor” at rinsing. Believe it or not, at least one Best Buy was “very poor”. I found that pretty shocking.

From studying the figures it is clear that if “good”, or “very good” rinsing was one of the prerequisites for a Best Buy there would be no Best Buy washing machines or washer dryers at all – not a single one. It appears that Which? have decided to allow the poor rinsing results to be a caveat instead of a best buy killer. Please note however that several Which? best buys are “satisfactory” at rinsing which is something at least.


Out of 125 washing machines and washer dryers tested, a remarkable 75 of them (60%) were rated either “poor” or “very poor” at rinsing with only 3 getting the rating we should expect for all washing machines which is “good”.

The rest were a mere “satisfactory”. To summarise, just less than 3 % of the 125 washers & dryers are “good” at rinsing according to Which?

Since writing this article I’ve discovered Which? no longer give the majority of washing machines 1 or 2 star ratings for rinsing ability, and the majority appear to get 3 or 4 stars. Which? tell me they’ve readjusted their rinse marks to more accurately reflect the degrees of abilities between even poor rinsing machines. However, they are still critical of many of their rinsing abilities in the comments and the pros and cons.


What does this mean?

Well for a start it doesn’t mean that we can settle for one of the three washing machines that are “good” at rinsing because they unfortunately let themselves down in other areas such as with “noisy spin, and poor brand reliability”. However, if you really need a washing machine that rinses better than any other – maybe because of allergies – then at least Which? have identified three candidates out of the 125 they’ve tested so far.

I have to advise though that you should go for them only if good rinsing is your most important requirement and are prepared to accept big compromises elsewhere – as long as it rinses well.

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Why aren’t they rinsing properly and does it really matter?

Surely all washing machines should rinse well? It’s surely quite simple, you just use enough water to rinse them properly. It’s astounding that we have reached the situation where the majority of washing machines and washer dryers on sale in the UK are apparently poor at rinsing.

Save-water This has probably come about because people have been focussing on other aspects, which has left rinsing as a low priority. Two explanations spring to mind. Firstly, the focus on using less and less water is clearly impacting on our washing machine’s ability to rinse effectively. Whereas modern detergents can facilitate efficient and effective washing results at lower temperatures and with less water, no such product is currently allowing effective rinsing with much less water.


Good rinsing needs plenty of water which is in direct opposition to the current environmental concerns and clamour to be the washing machine using the least amount of water.

Eco Labels
Eco Labels

The second explanation I can think of is that the eco-labelling system which awards ratings for energy efficiency, spin efficiency and wash efficiency do not appear to take into account rinse efficiency.

As such, manufacturers aren’t being judged on how well their washing machines rinse, only on how well they wash and how well they extract water on spin. I’m speculating at this stage, but I can’t see how so many washing machines could be awarded an “A” wash efficiency rating if the tests took into account how well the clothes were rinsed. Presumably, as long as all stains are removed and laundry looks “clean” no one bothers about how much soap detergent residue is left.


It might be a good idea to create a fourth category, “rinse efficiency” on the eco labels, or at least include the rinse efficiency as part of the wash efficiency test.

Allergies Ultimately if customers don’t notice an issue then it could be argued that it doesn’t really matter.

Maybe it doesn’t for most people, but it surely does to anyone sensitive to wash detergents and with allergies and a lot of people are. There were 581 comments added on this topic from such people before I had to close comments to prevent it being endless.

The current situation is that to anyone keen to buy a washing machine with good rinsing I have no washing machine to recommend because none of the companies producing the best, and the most reliable washing machines currently supply one that rinses above average according to Which? although this could easily change and you would need to check out the latest to be sure.


Are Which? wrong?

Are Which? being too critical? Are Which? applying too stringent a rinse test? I must admit I’ve not had many complaints from people saying their washing machine isn’t rinsing properly and my own Miele washing machine, which although a Which? Best Buy, didn’t receive a “good” rating for rinsing yet it appears to rinse perfectly well as far as we can see.

In fact I remarked to my wife that my clothes don’t smell of detergent like they used to in the old washing machine and deduced that it rinsed much better. However, neither of us have any reactions to washing machine detergent. The thing about Which? is that they are totally independent.

They work only for their subscribers interests and are actually a registered charity. They don’t make any money directly by recommending any product (even though they could) because they want to be seen as 100% unbiased. They are highly respected and I expect they test products fairly. However, my understanding is that the do charge for companies to display their “Best Buy” logo!

I suspect Which? are right and that modern washing machines don’t generally rinse very well because of the reasons I speculate about above. Whether it matters or whether it will change depends on whether enough of the public are bothered, or even notice. The 581 comments added to this article below show that many people do find this a big issue.


Which? research

NOTE: Which? do rate some washing machines as satisfactory for rinsing and even a couple are rated as good, although unfortunately the few rated good (so far) are not so good on reliability.

Which? are constantly reviewing washing machines so if rinsing is particularly important to you it makes sense to become a member and see all the buying advice. I can’t print their advice for copyright reasons.

Here’s how they describe their reviews –

We are of course well known for our traditional product testing. And when we test something like the proverbial washing machine, we will ask the laboratory not only to measure how clean the clothes get, but how much water and energy is used? How easy is it to work out the programmes? What is the machine like on specialist cycles? How long does it take? All these things feed into our best buy criteria.

We will devise the testing schedule by looking at things from the ordinary user’s point of view: and if standard industry methods are not good enough we will devise our own methods   ”

Causes of poor rinsing

There are some common causes of poor rinsing even in washing machines that do rinse well that it might be useful to point out. Anyone experiencing poor rinsing problems where washing comes out with detergent residues or white powder streaks should read this – White streaks or residual washing powder after washing

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546 thoughts on “Why can’t modern washing machines rinse properly?”

  1. I dont know if it’s relevant or not,but i just have to add praise for Zanussi. i have had a Zanussi washer for sixteen years and have never had any trouble with it, i have never had cause to have it repaired or anything. The washing machine i had before that was also a Zanussi, which i had for eighteen years, also with no trouble and no repairs.Then last week i had to call out the fire brigade as my machine caught fire, the machine has done a very good job, and owes me nothing, now i have the problem of buying another machine,I want another Zanussi, but i am wondering about the jet system.Can anyone comment on the jet system,if they are any good.

  2. The Zanussi Jet system is old now, I think they were one of the first to introduce the idea, which was to use less water in the drum but compensate for it by showering the laundry with water pumped into the top of the drum.

    I don’t think it improved wash or rinse efficiency so much as allowed the washing machine to use less water. However, it also added extra hoses and another pump which were extra things to go wrong.

  3. I want to try and buy an older machine that uses plenty of water to rinse properly. Can anyone please tell me when the new generation of water rationed machines came on the market? In other words, how old does a machine have to be to wash properly with plenty of water?

  4. Hi Rod,

    My Bosch is about 16 years old, it does 4 rinses 1/3 up the door. Probably a minmum of 15 years old I would say.

    HTH,

    Oliver.

  5. Thanks for your comment Oliver. I’m going to look at a Bosch this morning. Don’t know which model it is yet.

    I’m currently in the middle of acrimonious communication with Hotpoint about my new Indesit. They keep denying that there is a problem. I have taken the liberty of referring to your communication with them last May. Saying I bet they will have-no record of it. Hope you don’t mind.
    Having just spent £330 on a new Indesit I am in the position of having to go out and buy an old machine to get a proper wash and will be considerably out of pocket. I have had so many conflicting replies and visits from Hotpoint that I would be interested to hear what dealing you have had with them. Any contact names etc.

  6. My husband is a retired medical scientist and makes the following point: recent decades have seen a meteoric rise in the incidence of asthma which the scientists have struggled to explain. Naturally if clothes contain washing powder (including the additives such as enzymes) not only can this affect the skin by direct contact but also the wearer is constantly breathing in the powder into the lungs. Bed clothes contaminated with washing powder would of course have a similar effect. If you disturb dry, partially rinsed clothes in a shaft of sunlight you will see for yourself what you are breathing in. How do we know that this problem does not at least partly underpin the asthma epidemic? Washing powder enzymes are known to cause asthma. See here:

    An outbreak of asthma in a modern detergent factory

    DrP Cullinan MDa, , , JM Harris MSca, ProfAJ Newman Taylor FRCPa, AM Holea, M Jones PhDa, F Barnes PhDa and G Jolliffe MRCGPa

    Department of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, Imperial College School of Medicine, London SW3 6LR, UK

    Summary
    The striking decrease in the occurrence of protease-induced occupational asthma in the detergent industry has been attributed to enzyme encapsulation. We report an outbreak of asthma, at least equal in size to those reported in the 1960s, in a modem European factory which has exclusively used encapsulated enzymes. A survey revealed that enzyme sensitisation and work-related respiratory symptoms were positively correlated with airborne enzyme exposure. We suggest that encapsulation alone is insufficient to prevent enzyme-induced allergy and asthma.

    It would be ironic if the environmental do-gooders have contributed to one of the biggest health issues in the world?

  7. If a modern washing machine kicks the bucket, you really are better off replacing it with an old washing machine that looks at least 20 years old. If it’s been repaired, it will rinse properly and these old washing machines were made to be repairable.

    If you’re waiting for your modern washing machine to self destruct, you could make it work harder – and rinse better – by running a water guzzling cycle without detergent, once the first spin after the main wash finishes. Alternatively, re-run the machine’s rinses when it’s finished. Use clear vinegar if necessary.

    Hope that helps you Rod Fryatt and other readers too.

  8. If it is any help to anyone. I have a new Indesit IWC6165 which gives a very poor wash. I have found that adding 4 or 5 litres of hot water with the washing does help. Of course it does nothing to help the rinsing. Hotpoint and the retailer deny any problem with the rinsing of course.
    I have emailed BBC R4 “You & Yours” as well as the Watchdog programme, and would urge others to do the same. No reply as yet.
    My repeated emails to Hotpoint may have got through to someone as they have just telephoned me to say they are sending an engineer for a third visit. Hope he is not like the others —– just programmed to say “No problem no problem” !

  9. The repair men are given a stock set of answers to regurgitate in response to rinsing complaints so dont expect much. Our machine is a Miele and the engineer modified it to allow higher water levels. I am told that the level sensor works in this way: As the water level rises it compresses air in a tube. A pressure sensor at the end of the tube (above the drum) is then activated. I think he made the tube longer to allow higher water levels.
    Firstly this did not help because you need warm or hot water to rinse effectively – not just more water. Secondly because the water level was often up to the centre of the drum over time it seems water got into the bearings destroying them making the machine uneconomic to repair.

  10. Quote from Rod Fryatt:

    I want to try and buy an older machine that uses plenty of water to rinse properly. Can anyone please tell me when the new generation of water rationed machines came on the market? In other words, how old does a machine have to be to wash properly with plenty of water?

    Too old. There can hardly be any still running. It was the early 80s I think when washing machines filled half way up the door glass on rinses and a third of they way up on wash. It’s just not a viable answer.

    I have a new Indesit IWC6165 which gives a very poor wash..

    Which? have tested and reviewed this machine and it’s one of the many that’s not good enough at rinsing (at least according to Which?) However, they were happy with it’s cottons wash results. They said the drum is on the small side though so make sure you aren’t overloading it which would degrade wash (and rinse) performance)

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