Comments on: What’s happened to the hot water valve in washing machines? http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/ White goods appliance help, advice, commentary and news plus special offer notifications Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:02:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Peter Bird http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/comment-page-3/#comment-7713 Peter Bird Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:02:33 +0000 http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/#comment-7713 I've just invested in solar heating panels so I naturally looked around for a hot and cold fill washing machine. We are on a unvented water system (no open tanks) and we have a sink in the utility room where we can run off water until it is hot. Surely these would be ideal conditions for a hot fill machine? I accept there are environmental objections to running off water, but surely the energy argument is more telling? I’ve just invested in solar heating panels so I naturally looked around for a hot and cold fill washing machine. We are on a unvented water system (no open tanks) and we have a sink in the utility room where we can run off water until it is hot. Surely these would be ideal conditions for a hot fill machine? I accept there are environmental objections to running off water, but surely the energy argument is more telling?

]]> By: Dave http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/comment-page-3/#comment-7675 Dave Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:45:52 +0000 http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/#comment-7675 LOL!!! What goes around comes around!!! Explains why it says the AllWater is not available in UK yet John Lewis say it is!!!! LOL!!!

What goes around comes around!!!

Explains why it says the AllWater is not available in UK yet John Lewis say it is!!!!

]]> By: Washerhelp http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/comment-page-3/#comment-7674 Washerhelp Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:18:18 +0000 http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/#comment-7674 Dave: I think whoever wrote the Dooyoo article has researched my articles as I wrote this in April 2008 <a href="http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/washing-machine-spin-speed-efficiency-figures-and-drying-costs/">Washing machine spin speed efficiency figures and drying costs</a> They even use my chart. Dave: I think whoever wrote the Dooyoo article has researched my articles as I wrote this in April 2008 Washing machine spin speed efficiency figures and drying costs

They even use my chart.

]]> By: Dave http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/comment-page-3/#comment-7666 Dave Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:49:33 +0000 http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/#comment-7666 Another useful link (though dated September 2009 so a little out of date) regarding the allwater machines (there are 3 models curently listed by Miele - W2525WPS, Nototronic W355WPS and W3841WPS) - interesting figures quoted regarding the savings in CO2 and in ££ http://www.servecommunity.ie/download.ashx?f=Healthy__energy_efficient_renovations.pdf Scroll down / navigate to slide 22. I also read something very interesting earlier today on a web site about tumble dryers which indicated that there was no energy (or carbon) saving to be made (when tumble drying your washing) by having a washer that spins any faster than 1000 rpm. The assertion was that "various factors" made spin speeds of 1100 to 1600 rpm no more effective than spinning at 1000 and that only an 1800 spin speed offered any advantage. This is all new to me and not really relevant to the hot water argument but it does seem to suggest that machines which spend ages balancing so they can spin faster are not necessarily advantageous, so perhaps this is another aspect of so-called improvment which is not all that it seems to be? Another useful link (though dated September 2009 so a little out of date) regarding the allwater machines (there are 3 models curently listed by Miele – W2525WPS, Nototronic W355WPS and W3841WPS) – interesting figures quoted regarding the savings in CO2 and in ££

http://www.servecommunity.ie/download.ashx?f=Healthy__energy_efficient_renovations.pdf

Scroll down / navigate to slide 22.

I also read something very interesting earlier today on a web site about tumble dryers which indicated that there was no energy (or carbon) saving to be made (when tumble drying your washing) by having a washer that spins any faster than 1000 rpm. The assertion was that “various factors” made spin speeds of 1100 to 1600 rpm no more effective than spinning at 1000 and that only an 1800 spin speed offered any advantage. This is all new to me and not really relevant to the hot water argument but it does seem to suggest that machines which spend ages balancing so they can spin faster are not necessarily advantageous, so perhaps this is another aspect of so-called improvment which is not all that it seems to be?

]]> By: Dave http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/comment-page-3/#comment-7664 Dave Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:23:11 +0000 http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/whats-happened-to-the-hot-water-valve-in-washing-machines/#comment-7664 Two interesting rays of hope for all those readers who like me seek a hot and cold fill machine: 1) Cole Brother's (Sheffield's branch of John Lewis) advised me on Saturday that they can get the Miele All Water to special order, stating that it is becoming quite popular. The gentleman who served me said that he could not guarantee that all branches of JLP will do this but he was unaware of any reason why they would not. 2) http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/buyersguide/washing-machine/ - scroll down to just below the picture of the Indesit Moon / just above the picture of the Hotpoint for a very interesting comment stating unequivocally that hot fill (they call it warm fill for some reason) is more efficient and better for the environment. The caveat is that they cost more to buy, which I'm afraid to me suggests that the few manufacturers making them now are trying to cash in on peoples' desire to "be green". Two interesting rays of hope for all those readers who like me seek a hot and cold fill machine:

1) Cole Brother’s (Sheffield’s branch of John Lewis) advised me on Saturday that they can get the Miele All Water to special order, stating that it is becoming quite popular. The gentleman who served me said that he could not guarantee that all branches of JLP will do this but he was unaware of any reason why they would not.

2) http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/buyersguide/washing-machine/ – scroll down to just below the picture of the Indesit Moon / just above the picture of the Hotpoint for a very interesting comment stating unequivocally that hot fill (they call it warm fill for some reason) is more efficient and better for the environment. The caveat is that they cost more to buy, which I’m afraid to me suggests that the few manufacturers making them now are trying to cash in on peoples’ desire to “be green”.

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