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		<title>By: Washerhelp</title>
		<link>http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/i-want-a-washing-machine-with-a-hot-water-valve/#comment-10468</link>
		<dc:creator>Washerhelp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve stopped comments on this article as at 676 comments it&#039;s seriously slowing down loading times. I may even have to consider trimming some. 

Feel free to start a topic on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/forums/index.php?&quot;&gt;Washerhelp forums&lt;/a&gt; if you want to continue discussing and I&#039;ll post a link to it from here if any one does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve stopped comments on this article as at 676 comments it&#8217;s seriously slowing down loading times. I may even have to consider trimming some. </p>
<p>Feel free to start a topic on the <a href="http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/forums/index.php?">Washerhelp forums</a> if you want to continue discussing and I&#8217;ll post a link to it from here if any one does.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,I have been on the website looking at the mieli commecial  hot and cold fill washing machines only to find they are still &quot;reduced water intake &quot; Is it possible to get a commercial one with the old intake of water. i don,t need a commercial but they seem to be the only  machines with hot and cold fill. My reason for wanting hot and cold fill is to get a machine that gives more water. but it seems even these are reduced water, wrapped up as &quot; economical,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,I have been on the website looking at the mieli commecial  hot and cold fill washing machines only to find they are still &#8220;reduced water intake &#8221; Is it possible to get a commercial one with the old intake of water. i don,t need a commercial but they seem to be the only  machines with hot and cold fill. My reason for wanting hot and cold fill is to get a machine that gives more water. but it seems even these are reduced water, wrapped up as &#8221; economical,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wordpress/i-want-a-washing-machine-with-a-hot-water-valve/#comment-12474</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in a hard water area.  If any appliance has to heat up any water it uses, it will have limescale problems and therefore seriously deplete the the lifespan of the machine or cause extra expense and pollution by having to add water softeners.   I was lucky to have a hot and cold intake machine that lasted 15 years.  It eventually died (no parts available to replace) early this year.  I managed to find a machine that has a ceramic coating on the heating element (clearance sale) but I seriously doubt the machine will last as long or that they are still available to buy.  I agree with Paul Kirwan we want choice not swayed opinion; that&#039;s like forcing a democratic country to accept the ideology of a dictatorship. Result duel input or rebellion !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a hard water area.  If any appliance has to heat up any water it uses, it will have limescale problems and therefore seriously deplete the the lifespan of the machine or cause extra expense and pollution by having to add water softeners.   I was lucky to have a hot and cold intake machine that lasted 15 years.  It eventually died (no parts available to replace) early this year.  I managed to find a machine that has a ceramic coating on the heating element (clearance sale) but I seriously doubt the machine will last as long or that they are still available to buy.  I agree with Paul Kirwan we want choice not swayed opinion; that&#8217;s like forcing a democratic country to accept the ideology of a dictatorship. Result duel input or rebellion !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kirwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kirwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people would like the option of being able to buy a dual input washing machine because it suits their particular home system / lifestyle choices / whatever.

That these might not be of specific use or cost savings to many people is beside the point, dual input appliances are in the majority in Europe ( I worked in Belgium for 4 years where such machines are freely available).

The arguments over wasted heat, wasted water, limited costs savings etc. would equally apply in mainland Europe, however at least there consumers have the option to make their own choices, rather than being limited by cartel-like decision of suppliers in the UK market.

Meanwhile in mainland Europe the logic of the arguments magically falls tot the other side of the argument and dual feed machines are in the majority.

Here in the UK, some of us use wood burning stoves or solar thermal water heating ( or both), some of us have spring water supplies, some water modern system designs exist that ensure that water is hot at the taps immediately, superior insulation allows water to stay hotter longer in more normal supply systems, while &quot;wasted&quot; heat contributes to the overall heating of the house.

These of course are not a single mass market solution or requirement, but constitute the situation for a currently frustrated element of society who want to change their energy usage and general approach to services and usage within their own lives. We do not want to be told that WasherHelp knows best and have the error of our choices &#039;explained&#039; to us, we simply want the option to choose.

While the market makes such decisions difficult or punitively expensive by not supplying such items as dual feed washing machines in the UK without very high expense and only at top of the range products, such individuals are not able to make their own informed choices.

It is not too much to ask that the option of hot supply is also available on a washing machine in the UK, since such machines are freely available 22 miles from Dover - within our free-trade single-market European Union. 

And yes, machines supplies to the rest of the EU do run at 220 volts AC, single phase is the majority, and all conforming to the same EU electrical safety directives that machines supplies to the UK market have to observe, they are supplied by the same companies who supply the UK market, and many likely built in the same Asian factories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people would like the option of being able to buy a dual input washing machine because it suits their particular home system / lifestyle choices / whatever.</p>
<p>That these might not be of specific use or cost savings to many people is beside the point, dual input appliances are in the majority in Europe ( I worked in Belgium for 4 years where such machines are freely available).</p>
<p>The arguments over wasted heat, wasted water, limited costs savings etc. would equally apply in mainland Europe, however at least there consumers have the option to make their own choices, rather than being limited by cartel-like decision of suppliers in the UK market.</p>
<p>Meanwhile in mainland Europe the logic of the arguments magically falls tot the other side of the argument and dual feed machines are in the majority.</p>
<p>Here in the UK, some of us use wood burning stoves or solar thermal water heating ( or both), some of us have spring water supplies, some water modern system designs exist that ensure that water is hot at the taps immediately, superior insulation allows water to stay hotter longer in more normal supply systems, while &#8220;wasted&#8221; heat contributes to the overall heating of the house.</p>
<p>These of course are not a single mass market solution or requirement, but constitute the situation for a currently frustrated element of society who want to change their energy usage and general approach to services and usage within their own lives. We do not want to be told that WasherHelp knows best and have the error of our choices &#8216;explained&#8217; to us, we simply want the option to choose.</p>
<p>While the market makes such decisions difficult or punitively expensive by not supplying such items as dual feed washing machines in the UK without very high expense and only at top of the range products, such individuals are not able to make their own informed choices.</p>
<p>It is not too much to ask that the option of hot supply is also available on a washing machine in the UK, since such machines are freely available 22 miles from Dover &#8211; within our free-trade single-market European Union. </p>
<p>And yes, machines supplies to the rest of the EU do run at 220 volts AC, single phase is the majority, and all conforming to the same EU electrical safety directives that machines supplies to the UK market have to observe, they are supplied by the same companies who supply the UK market, and many likely built in the same Asian factories.</p>
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		<title>By: Washerhelp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washerhelp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque: If you live on a dairy farm and really work your washing machines I&#039;d go for a Miele though their commercial machines will be very expensive indeed. A normal one would still be expensive but much better built than most. The topic discussed here though is cold &lt;em&gt;fill&lt;/em&gt; washing machines not cold washes. The washers still heat the water up in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque: If you live on a dairy farm and really work your washing machines I&#8217;d go for a Miele though their commercial machines will be very expensive indeed. A normal one would still be expensive but much better built than most. The topic discussed here though is cold <em>fill</em> washing machines not cold washes. The washers still heat the water up in the UK.</p>
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