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	<title>Comments on: Free estimates and no call out charges &#8211; are they realistic?</title>
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		<title>By: Washerhelp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mike: I sympathise with your frustration but manufacturers only give free repairs if the appliance is faulty whilst under their guarantee. So if the problem was caused by a faulty installation the Hotpoint engineer was not only within his rights to charge but could be under pressure to charge in such circumstances. 

A substantial percentage of call outs any manufacturer will get under guarantee turn out to be nothing to do with the product and they just can&#039;t absorb the costs. I mention at least half a dozen common reasons they get called out where the fault turns out to be not with the washing machine in my consumer article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/washing-machine-consumer-advice_1.html&quot;&gt;First: Is the washing machine really faulty?&lt;/a&gt; and your case is one of those listed.

Although very annoying for you, it&#039;s the person who installed it who&#039;s at fault, and neither yourself - or Hotpoint should lose money because of it. 

You would be liable to pay their charge. If it was someone else&#039;s fault you have to take it up with them to get the money back. If by any chance they refused you&#039;d need to take them to the small claims court. With evidence from the engineers invoice you&#039;d be likely to win hands down and get your court fees back too. I can&#039;t imagine this being necessary though as if the invoice says the waste pipe was incorrectly installed the installer doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on and will have to pay or risk going to the small claims court and losing.

If the person who installed it was someone you arranged to call it&#039;s between you and them. If Marks &amp; Spencer arranged it then I&#039;d say you should complain to them and get them to refund you the money. As the consumer law stands if you paid for the service via the retailer who sent a third party your contract is with the retailer and it&#039;s up to them to then pursue the installer for their money back.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike: I sympathise with your frustration but manufacturers only give free repairs if the appliance is faulty whilst under their guarantee. So if the problem was caused by a faulty installation the Hotpoint engineer was not only within his rights to charge but could be under pressure to charge in such circumstances. </p>
<p>A substantial percentage of call outs any manufacturer will get under guarantee turn out to be nothing to do with the product and they just can&#8217;t absorb the costs. I mention at least half a dozen common reasons they get called out where the fault turns out to be not with the washing machine in my consumer article <a href="http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/washing-machine-consumer-advice_1.html">First: Is the washing machine really faulty?</a> and your case is one of those listed.</p>
<p>Although very annoying for you, it&#8217;s the person who installed it who&#8217;s at fault, and neither yourself &#8211; or Hotpoint should lose money because of it. </p>
<p>You would be liable to pay their charge. If it was someone else&#8217;s fault you have to take it up with them to get the money back. If by any chance they refused you&#8217;d need to take them to the small claims court. With evidence from the engineers invoice you&#8217;d be likely to win hands down and get your court fees back too. I can&#8217;t imagine this being necessary though as if the invoice says the waste pipe was incorrectly installed the installer doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on and will have to pay or risk going to the small claims court and losing.</p>
<p>If the person who installed it was someone you arranged to call it&#8217;s between you and them. If Marks &#038; Spencer arranged it then I&#8217;d say you should complain to them and get them to refund you the money. As the consumer law stands if you paid for the service via the retailer who sent a third party your contract is with the retailer and it&#8217;s up to them to then pursue the installer for their money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a new Hotpoint Aqualtis mashing machine just before Christmas through the Marks and Spencer website, and paid to have it installed. Immediately though there seemed to be a problem with it - the machine restarted the programme again after every cycle. I called out the Hotpoint engineer, confident I wouldn&#039;t need to pay anything because there was obviously something wrong with the machine. The engineer&#039;s view was that the machine itself was fine, but that the drain hose hadn&#039;t been fitted properly. He refitted it, adding a plastic arm, and that sorted the problem. Now, though, because there was nothing wrong with the machine itself, I am being asked to pay a repair charge. I think this is unfair - none of this is my fault, so why am I being held responsible? I advised Hotpoint to take up the case with the company which installed the machine, but it has ignored  this and is threatening me that it&#039;ll send round the &quot;debt collectors&quot;. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a new Hotpoint Aqualtis mashing machine just before Christmas through the Marks and Spencer website, and paid to have it installed. Immediately though there seemed to be a problem with it &#8211; the machine restarted the programme again after every cycle. I called out the Hotpoint engineer, confident I wouldn&#8217;t need to pay anything because there was obviously something wrong with the machine. The engineer&#8217;s view was that the machine itself was fine, but that the drain hose hadn&#8217;t been fitted properly. He refitted it, adding a plastic arm, and that sorted the problem. Now, though, because there was nothing wrong with the machine itself, I am being asked to pay a repair charge. I think this is unfair &#8211; none of this is my fault, so why am I being held responsible? I advised Hotpoint to take up the case with the company which installed the machine, but it has ignored  this and is threatening me that it&#8217;ll send round the &#8220;debt collectors&#8221;. What do you think?</p>
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